It was clear that we were not going to be able to continue making payments on our debt. We wanted to know if bankruptcy was right for us, what it would be like, how we proceed from here.
How did I find this attorney? Well, Google of course.
My wife and I were both there, and we talked for about two hours. Turns out that was billed time. At $205/hr. First lesson: bankruptcy isn’t cheap.
We discussed many things.
First, will we get sued if we stop paying our bills? Should we file, and when?
Well, you can apparently let your credit card bills go unpaid for a while, just expect phone calls and letters. In fact, and this seems just crazy to me, you have to let your debts get overdue before even trying to negotiate for a lower interest rate or payment. So even if you want to pay off your bills, and you just want to cut a deal instead of filing bankruptcy, you have to be late first. After three months, your credit rating will start to go bad, but you can negotiate for a lower payment plan. After six months, they will be panicky, and say your debt will be “written-off”, sold to a third party, and your credit rating really goes to hell then. Either way, someone will be calling you about your late payments.
So we can wait a bit, let bills go unpaid, and then see about making deals. One could possibly negotiate a payment plan yourself, or even a negotiated payoff at a small percentage (maybe – say 30% of debt).
The problem with a negotiated payoff, is that the reduction is taxable as “debt forgiveness”. So not only would you have to borrow from relatives to pay off a lump sum, but at tax time you would have to come up with taxes on that reduction.
A payment plan sounds good, as there would be no bankruptcy, but you still have a huge debt payment to make, over time, and at some point, if you are unemployed or unable to pay, you might have to resort to bankruptcy anyway. I couldn’t make the payment plan that my debt counselor created, so why should I be able to do better myself?
So we should file bankruptcy, but wait some time. How much time? Well there are some issues that could cause a debtor to challenge our eligibility for certain debts.
- Increase in credit card usage shortly before filing
- Newly issued card
- Large cash advances in months before filing
- Pattern of borrowing on one card to make payments on others
- Using card when unemployed or without reasonable belief that the debt can be repaid
- Large balance at filing
In our case, we have not been adding to our debt extravagantly, but have been using any available credit to pay current bills, as our income was not covering them. I recently got new cards or used existing card to make transfers to my home equity line of credit so I could keep up with payments. So we need to wait, as in “time heals all wounds”.
By the way, in total, we have 22 cards, and about $190,000 in unsecured debt. Wow.
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